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    Default E43-A Fiery Job Log Question

    In the Fiery job log on a E43/83A (Ricoh 7100/7110) there is a column you can add called "5th separation usage". Does anyone know what the numbers are supposed to represent?
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    Yes this is referring to the toner coverage of the Specialty Colors used on your Fiery server (whether that is gold, silver or white).

    The numbers are based on a reference value of 1 being 7.5% coverage on A4/Letter.
    So 6.1 means that the job contained the same amount of toner that would be consumed by 6.1 pages of letter with 7.5% coverage.

    Examples:
    Full-page flood on A4/Letter (i.e. 100% coverage) will report a usage of 13.3
    7.5% coverage on A3/11x17 will report usage of 2.0
    Full-page flood on A3/11x17 will report usage of 26.6

    Clear as mud?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greta_C View Post
    Yes this is referring to the toner coverage of the Specialty Colors used on your Fiery server (whether that is gold, silver or white).

    The numbers are based on a reference value of 1 being 7.5% coverage on A4/Letter.
    So 6.1 means that the job contained the same amount of toner that would be consumed by 6.1 pages of letter with 7.5% coverage.

    Examples:
    Full-page flood on A4/Letter (i.e. 100% coverage) will report a usage of 13.3
    7.5% coverage on A3/11x17 will report usage of 2.0
    Full-page flood on A3/11x17 will report usage of 26.6

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    Greta, thank you for the detail. Does the resulting value change if the fill is 100% vs 50% for the 5th Station toner on the print(s)? Using your 7.5% example with an 11x17, is this value of 2.0 assuming 100% density, such that a document designed at 50% would change the number to 1.0?

    This is important in trying to determine a reasonably accurate toner consumption rate for a given job, so some sort of "premium" can be apportioned from the total toner cartridge yield.

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    Greta,
    It would be nice to be able to segregate which results came from which Specialty Toner, as it appears that there isn't any field in the job to reflect that the job used White, or Clear, or Silver specifically.
    Thanks again for your response and qualification of these type of details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GJohnston View Post
    Greta, thank you for the detail. Does the resulting value change if the fill is 100% vs 50% for the 5th Station toner on the print(s)? Using your 7.5% example with an 11x17, is this value of 2.0 assuming 100% density, such that a document designed at 50% would change the number to 1.0?

    This is important in trying to determine a reasonably accurate toner consumption rate for a given job, so some sort of "premium" can be apportioned from the total toner cartridge yield.
    A value of 2.0 on 11x17 assumes 7.5% density average over the 11x17 sheet.
    100% Density on 11x17 (e.g. covering the whole page with specialty toner) would show a value of 26.6.

    A document designed with 50% coverage on an 11x17 sheet would show a value of 13.3.
    Does that answer your question, or did I misinterpret you?

    Also I agree that having a separate column for White, Silver and Clear would be helpful. I will submit this as a feature request.

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    Thank you Greta,
    What you're discussing is coverage. I'm inquiring if the number for any amount coverage of 100% density of White toner would yield the same 5th Separation Usage count, as the same coverage for a 50% (example) density patch. It would use less ink. So what I'm asking is, is there a correlation of the 5th Separation Value that is aware of the amount of ink that is required for the same coverage space. This could then be used to determine the 5th Separation consumption rate of the consumable for a particular print job.
    Thank you for your time and continuing expertise!

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    To be perfectly honest I don't know the answer to your question, and I don't have access to that kind of kit at the moment (I'm on the road).

    Could you try it out and let us know? Should only take 1 or 2 letter sheets to test...

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